In the 85th Collings & Herrin podcast, we tread a fine line between undermining Richard’s new, breakaway, sketch-based podcast, As It Occurs To Me, by accidentally previewing material about Berlin that might turn up in it, in advance, and undermining our own, already-less-popular podcast, by going on about As It Occurs To Me all the way through it. However, despite tiredness and the lateness of hour, it’s a great week for racism-based news, and we cover all the racists: Anton de Beke, Bruce Forsyth and Jackson Jive, who won an Australian talent contest in 1989 and have come back to redress the balance of 20 years of enlightenment. There’s also a tiny hedgehog, Carol Vorderman’s bum and a rhino. What more do you want? Michael Legge and James Hingley?