I want to drink it, not wash me clothes in it

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It was, of course, Tony Hancock who uttered the above line when faced with a frothy coffee in The Rebel, but his words echoed back at me for different reasons today during a pleasant spin around Kingston in the crisp not-quite-yet-winter air, the perfect accompaniment to which seemed to be a sit-down coffee in a coffee shop. Good timing – weekday, thirst setting in after the traditional lunch hour – even meant comfy seats by the window. The outlet chosen, for its location, was Costa Coffee. I’ve been boycotting Starbucks ever since reading and obeying No Logo, so I was glad to find one of the smaller multinational food conglomerates to drink a decaff latte in. If I’m ever tempted into one of these places at all – and it tends to be an occasional West End treat, as soya milk is not the perfect dairy substitute – I choose EAT or Caffe Nero. As such, I was not au fait with the lingo in Costa. I ordered two large coffees, since a sitdown requires a leisurely amount of hot drink. The choice is between “primo”, “medio” and “massimo” (Costa did use to be a family-run Italian firm before Whitbread swallowed it up and turned its expansion into a military operation with maps and pins), so that’s what these were: massimo. Perhaps they should be labelled “fucking massimo.”

You might call it good value for money, but the massimo comes in a bowl, rather than a mug. It actually has two handles on either side! You’re looking at a pint of coffee. (Thank God for the froth on the cappuccino, although to cover it with sprinkled chocolate, you’re getting a bar’s worth.) I had to carry these cups to the table individually, for fear of breaking my wrist. Clearly, I should have checked the size of the cup before ordering, but this amount of coffee is insane, and would, I feel sure, cause great merriment in the cafes of Rome or Milan or Florence. After all, I wanted to drink it, not wash my clothes in it.

For a European chain, Costa has certainly taken American greed to its heart. Drink a massimo cappuccino and obey the law of the funny-shaped asymetric saucer and add one of the disgusting cakes or pastries and you’re halfway to obesity in one sitting. It’s little wonder this country is grinding to a halt.

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In 2001, I was dispatched by the Observer to write a piece about “futurologists”, that is, people employed by big companies to predict future trends. It was the last piece I wrote for the paper, after a good run of doing stuff about films and telly, because I interviewed three futurologists at great length, and they only used one of them. This is the cut and thrust of national newspapers, but I couldn’t be arsed. Anyway, one of them was Robert Clewley, 45, whose job title at Whitbread was, ahem, Director of Planning & Insight. (Such pretentious nomenclature was nothing compared to the self-consciously wacky types I met at Orange, whose chief strategist was called Executive Vice President of Strategy, Imagineering & Futurology, although on the door of his office it simply said “Future Boy”. He told me that AOL had a Vice President of Cool and a Director of Bringing in Cool People, and he wasn’t joking.) Anyway, Clewley, a man in a suit in a boardroom who usually worked in Dunstable said, “My team’s role is looking at the future, and what’s fundamentally changing in our industry. It’s a combination of science and crystal ball-gazing. I interpret our customers’ needs for the future. I would describe myself as a veteran of the hospitality industry. I’ve worked in strategic planning in the UK and overseas for Whitbread over the last 15 years. I’m one of the old boys of the industry.”

It was fascinating to meet him, and gain an insight into the corporate world, where how you say something is as important as what you say, until the line on the graph points downwards and you are sacked. A world alien to me. I asked him what an average day involved. “Managing my team, and through them developing better ways of listening to and understanding our customers. It’s also a key part of my job to identify where people will be spending their leisure time in the future.” I asked him if he was any good at his job. “I’m very good,” he replied. (There was another man, from corporate affairs, in the room with us, checking that he gave the right answers.) “I’m passionate about my job. It’s not all about analysis, a lot of it’s about intuition, being able to smell the right answer.” And there was his soundbite.

I only bring Mr Robert Clewley up because Whitbread had recently bought out Costa, and its acquisition represented job satisfaction for him: “We identified an opportunity in the marketplace, and bought a relatively small business from a very proud Italian man, Sergio Costa, who wanted it treating as far as possible as a family business. It took a long time to persuade him, but now we see Costa in 250 sites across the UK, and I can walk past every one of them and say, I started that!”

They now have over 300. Starbucks have 500 in the UK (out of a staggering 11,784 worldwide). Caffe Nero – est. 1997, so no family tradition there – have 270. EAT have 58, mostly in London. It was only after leaving Costa in Kingston, feeling like a bucket of milk on legs, that we noticed a small, organic coffee shop serving fresh smoothies. I’ll go there next time. Naomi Klein will be proud.

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86 thoughts on “I want to drink it, not wash me clothes in it

  1. Costa Coffee is very acidic as well I’ve found. I was caught out by the “massimio” trick too on my first visit and was quite frankly rather unwell afterwards. Apparently the saucer is shaped the way it is so it is easier to carry your coffee cup & a biscuit on it.BTW, a little discussion about NGO here.

  2. Costa Coffee is very acidic as well I’ve found. I was caught out by the “massimio” trick too on my first visit and was quite frankly rather unwell afterwards. Apparently the saucer is shaped the way it is so it is easier to carry your coffee cup & a biscuit on it.BTW, a little discussion about NGO here.

  3. I’m new to this website, having found it after reading Andrew’s two books – WDIAGR and HKIMN – which I think are absolutely brilliant and I can’t wait for the next one. Anyway I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice. I’m looking for a driving simulator for a car mad six year old. I was looking at the XBOX 360 Gameracer Pro Driving Simulator and was thinking that something like that would be good. What do you think? Does anyone have any experience of them. Any comments would be gratefully received.

  4. I’m new to this website, having found it after reading Andrew’s two books – WDIAGR and HKIMN – which I think are absolutely brilliant and I can’t wait for the next one. Anyway I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice. I’m looking for a driving simulator for a car mad six year old. I was looking at the XBOX 360 Gameracer Pro Driving Simulator and was thinking that something like that would be good. What do you think? Does anyone have any experience of them. Any comments would be gratefully received.

  5. in italy you only ever drink a cappu at home for breakfast. from then on it’s espresso. none of this mochacinno doppia latte nonsense. if you want a normal coffee (ie a long coffee) you ask for an americano. people in italy laugh at brits ordering cappus after an evening meal they find it really bizarre. To them it’s like having cornflakes.We still can’t do coffee in this country. it’s all marketing and excuse to make you buy a cake or something too. My wife (italian) just doesnt bother with it over here. In italy there was an ad campaign i think it was for one of the larger coffee companies – and the final ‘strap’line was “life’s too short to drink crap coffee”. I have to say i agree. Whenever i go to a costa or similar i always go for a straight up espresso – they generally can’t get it right though ie. with just the right amount of crema — so they really don’t have a hope of getting anything else right. (and i have a major problem with that amount of powdered chocolate gunk they coat the top with – it’s supposed to be a sprinkle)I once ordered a cappu in a bar early one morning in Citta’alta in Bergamo and the young lady served it with an artful heart drawn into the froth. i was amazed at this lttle detail.

  6. in italy you only ever drink a cappu at home for breakfast. from then on it’s espresso. none of this mochacinno doppia latte nonsense. if you want a normal coffee (ie a long coffee) you ask for an americano. people in italy laugh at brits ordering cappus after an evening meal they find it really bizarre. To them it’s like having cornflakes.We still can’t do coffee in this country. it’s all marketing and excuse to make you buy a cake or something too. My wife (italian) just doesnt bother with it over here. In italy there was an ad campaign i think it was for one of the larger coffee companies – and the final ‘strap’line was “life’s too short to drink crap coffee”. I have to say i agree. Whenever i go to a costa or similar i always go for a straight up espresso – they generally can’t get it right though ie. with just the right amount of crema — so they really don’t have a hope of getting anything else right. (and i have a major problem with that amount of powdered chocolate gunk they coat the top with – it’s supposed to be a sprinkle)I once ordered a cappu in a bar early one morning in Citta’alta in Bergamo and the young lady served it with an artful heart drawn into the froth. i was amazed at this lttle detail.

  7. I like coffee but the corporate coffee shops you mention, aside from the multinational globalisation issues, freak me out. I feel like I’m not sure how I’m meant to behave in them. Should I remove some beat poetry from my bag and smoke a Gitane? I should really go into one and shatter my preconceptions.Gwen – try this?

  8. I like coffee but the corporate coffee shops you mention, aside from the multinational globalisation issues, freak me out. I feel like I’m not sure how I’m meant to behave in them. Should I remove some beat poetry from my bag and smoke a Gitane? I should really go into one and shatter my preconceptions.Gwen – try this?

  9. No Clive, no need for your French fags. You should remove your Blackberry from your bag. And talk very loudly to you friends about how much money you can afford to waste on needlessly powerful cars…I don’t profess to know anything about coffee, but my missus assures me that Costa do a nice hot chocolate, but their service lacks somewhat.

  10. No Clive, no need for your French fags. You should remove your Blackberry from your bag. And talk very loudly to you friends about how much money you can afford to waste on needlessly powerful cars…I don’t profess to know anything about coffee, but my missus assures me that Costa do a nice hot chocolate, but their service lacks somewhat.

  11. Gwen – contact me via the link in my blog and I’ll try to help with some advice. That’s my line of business. Though I’m not the Xbox360 Vice President of Cool. Honest.There’s a Starbucks in our office here (the first Starbucks in Ireland…wow). I still get a little bit of pleasure every day when I brew my own fairtrade-type coffee which I bring in to the office. The only problem is that I cannot get proper boiling water because of health-and-fucking-safety. I smuggled a kettle in this morning though. A minor victory against the man.

  12. Gwen – contact me via the link in my blog and I’ll try to help with some advice. That’s my line of business. Though I’m not the Xbox360 Vice President of Cool. Honest.There’s a Starbucks in our office here (the first Starbucks in Ireland…wow). I still get a little bit of pleasure every day when I brew my own fairtrade-type coffee which I bring in to the office. The only problem is that I cannot get proper boiling water because of health-and-fucking-safety. I smuggled a kettle in this morning though. A minor victory against the man.

  13. Tend to go into Costa most of the time when I’m working outside of London. Not sure why. The most astonishing thing is, in each one there only seems to be one person who knows what they are doing, the rest of the staff just fanny around and get in the way. Hot water, coffee and milk… how hard can it be to combine those ingredients? The Costa staff make such a song and dance about it.Last time I was in a Starbucks was just down from Broadcasting House. Interviewing two actresses who had just been promoting a TV series on Radio whichever. The PR lady accompanying them suggested it. As soon as we settled down with the drinks and the tape recorder came out the staff turned up the music. Never again. Unless it’s to watch the staff drown in lakes of boiling monkey vomit.

  14. Tend to go into Costa most of the time when I’m working outside of London. Not sure why. The most astonishing thing is, in each one there only seems to be one person who knows what they are doing, the rest of the staff just fanny around and get in the way. Hot water, coffee and milk… how hard can it be to combine those ingredients? The Costa staff make such a song and dance about it.Last time I was in a Starbucks was just down from Broadcasting House. Interviewing two actresses who had just been promoting a TV series on Radio whichever. The PR lady accompanying them suggested it. As soon as we settled down with the drinks and the tape recorder came out the staff turned up the music. Never again. Unless it’s to watch the staff drown in lakes of boiling monkey vomit.

  15. My husband and I like to go to Starbucks, usually ones in bookshops so we can sit and browse through books and/or magazines. I don’t know about any issues of whether they do “good” things or not, but we like it because you know the coffee is going to be to our liking.When I went to Italy in 1995 our rep was telling us some “useful” information on the way to the hotel. She explained about the area and how a margarita pizza got its name and some Italian phrases. She also said that in Italy they only have a cappuccino at breakfast and if we don’t want chocolate put on the top of it you just need to say “no chocolate”!! She said it in English, with no accent or anything. I don’t know how she thought we were going to say it? Perhaps in Italian!Just a side issue, why is it that you get so many food and drink snobs? James, I don’t know if it is the way I read your comment, but surely if someone likes to have a particular type of drink at a particular time of day then they can.

  16. My husband and I like to go to Starbucks, usually ones in bookshops so we can sit and browse through books and/or magazines. I don’t know about any issues of whether they do “good” things or not, but we like it because you know the coffee is going to be to our liking.When I went to Italy in 1995 our rep was telling us some “useful” information on the way to the hotel. She explained about the area and how a margarita pizza got its name and some Italian phrases. She also said that in Italy they only have a cappuccino at breakfast and if we don’t want chocolate put on the top of it you just need to say “no chocolate”!! She said it in English, with no accent or anything. I don’t know how she thought we were going to say it? Perhaps in Italian!Just a side issue, why is it that you get so many food and drink snobs? James, I don’t know if it is the way I read your comment, but surely if someone likes to have a particular type of drink at a particular time of day then they can.

  17. Good dog – “Unless it’s to watch the staff drown in lakes of boiling monkey vomit”, harsh but funny. I just hope the futurologists at Starbucks et al aren’t reading this otherwise hot beverages in the future may not be as pleasing as I’d hope. Reminds me of a review in the NME of a U2 concert at Wembley many moons ago (I don’t think it was an AC review) which concentrated on the hot food for sale rather than the band and contained a review of the hot dogs along the lines of “Like a leperous whippet’s dick boiled in ear wax.” I’m sure I can’t be making that up can I ?Simon James

  18. Good dog – “Unless it’s to watch the staff drown in lakes of boiling monkey vomit”, harsh but funny. I just hope the futurologists at Starbucks et al aren’t reading this otherwise hot beverages in the future may not be as pleasing as I’d hope. Reminds me of a review in the NME of a U2 concert at Wembley many moons ago (I don’t think it was an AC review) which concentrated on the hot food for sale rather than the band and contained a review of the hot dogs along the lines of “Like a leperous whippet’s dick boiled in ear wax.” I’m sure I can’t be making that up can I ?Simon James

  19. Welcome aboard, Gwen! And I’m glad you could find some XBox advice here. I’m just finishing the acknowledgments page for my next book, for final “polished” delivery next week, and I was moved to offer thanks to all in the Comments Community on this blog. I can’t list you all by name, but you’ll know who you are. I like the way this is turning out. (I must get webmaster Kevin to change the “NEW BLOG” notice on the homepage. It’s not “NEW” any more is it?)

  20. Welcome aboard, Gwen! And I’m glad you could find some XBox advice here. I’m just finishing the acknowledgments page for my next book, for final “polished” delivery next week, and I was moved to offer thanks to all in the Comments Community on this blog. I can’t list you all by name, but you’ll know who you are. I like the way this is turning out. (I must get webmaster Kevin to change the “NEW BLOG” notice on the homepage. It’s not “NEW” any more is it?)

  21. There’s always a Starbucks…. even on Galactica old and new. And pity the poor man who ‘started’ Costa … he works in Dunstable and quite probably Luton by now at the large Whitbread office there. As a Lutonian who escaped, I pity him.

  22. There’s always a Starbucks…. even on Galactica old and new. And pity the poor man who ‘started’ Costa … he works in Dunstable and quite probably Luton by now at the large Whitbread office there. As a Lutonian who escaped, I pity him.

  23. Awww, that acknowledgement is such a lovely thing to do. I have to admit, as a relative newcomer to your Comment Community here I don’t feel qualified to include myself in your acknowledgment, however, I thought I’d take this opportunity to acknowledge you and your mate Herring for inspiring me to start blogging again. I only started yesterday but already have a good feeling this one will last longer than the rest. It also feels good to start thinking about writing again, something I haven’t had the urge to do in far too long.Ta Luv!

  24. Awww, that acknowledgement is such a lovely thing to do. I have to admit, as a relative newcomer to your Comment Community here I don’t feel qualified to include myself in your acknowledgment, however, I thought I’d take this opportunity to acknowledge you and your mate Herring for inspiring me to start blogging again. I only started yesterday but already have a good feeling this one will last longer than the rest. It also feels good to start thinking about writing again, something I haven’t had the urge to do in far too long.Ta Luv!

  25. I think I’m going to start a campaign calling for an end to the discrimination of the lactose intolerant! I frequent the likes of Nero and (sorry, Andrew)Starbucks with work colleages and students as I work in Central London and they are handy, but as I am strictly non-dairy I have to have soya milk, which they charge extra for as though it’s some kind of luxury! I refuse to believe it costs up to 60p more to have soya milk instead of ordinary milk. It’s quite telling that, in some such establishments, the “smallest” size you can get is called “Grande” which basically means “small? You want SMALL? I don’t understand!” Effectively it’s a choice between big, very big, and bucket-sized.Rant over – with apologies!Px

  26. I think I’m going to start a campaign calling for an end to the discrimination of the lactose intolerant! I frequent the likes of Nero and (sorry, Andrew)Starbucks with work colleages and students as I work in Central London and they are handy, but as I am strictly non-dairy I have to have soya milk, which they charge extra for as though it’s some kind of luxury! I refuse to believe it costs up to 60p more to have soya milk instead of ordinary milk. It’s quite telling that, in some such establishments, the “smallest” size you can get is called “Grande” which basically means “small? You want SMALL? I don’t understand!” Effectively it’s a choice between big, very big, and bucket-sized.Rant over – with apologies!Px

  27. Px – I don’t wish to advertise, but EAT, who are all over London, don’t charge for the soya milk option, nor for having decaff. (As this is the only coffee I ever get, it’s a massive boon!) It’s two pounds flat for a grande soya decaff latte or cappuccino to go, and it’s not even giant sized. They ran out of soya once and I was forced, by time constraints, to visit the evil Starbucks, where, I was dismayed to discover, they charge 35p extra for soya and extra for decaff. Another good reason not to go there. Caffe Nero surchange too, incidentally, but their decaff coffee is nicer, and at least they aren’t Starbucks. It seems to me that all of these places make their money from the cakes and pastries, which is why they always ask if you want one when you order coffee. It’s empowering to say no.

  28. Px – I don’t wish to advertise, but EAT, who are all over London, don’t charge for the soya milk option, nor for having decaff. (As this is the only coffee I ever get, it’s a massive boon!) It’s two pounds flat for a grande soya decaff latte or cappuccino to go, and it’s not even giant sized. They ran out of soya once and I was forced, by time constraints, to visit the evil Starbucks, where, I was dismayed to discover, they charge 35p extra for soya and extra for decaff. Another good reason not to go there. Caffe Nero surchange too, incidentally, but their decaff coffee is nicer, and at least they aren’t Starbucks. It seems to me that all of these places make their money from the cakes and pastries, which is why they always ask if you want one when you order coffee. It’s empowering to say no.

  29. Actually this also reminds me of when I did summer work at UCI Cinemas and the number of people who would look at me like I was a monster when they asked for a small soft drink and were served with a Pint and charged an extortionate amount for the privilage. They had a point. I admired the savvy parents who, when bringing an army of children with them would order the “mega” (2.5 pint) drink and bring their own smaller cups and distribute that way. Quite clever… more clever would have been to pop into Asda across the road and get them all cartons but some people just aren’t as savvy as they think!

  30. Actually this also reminds me of when I did summer work at UCI Cinemas and the number of people who would look at me like I was a monster when they asked for a small soft drink and were served with a Pint and charged an extortionate amount for the privilage. They had a point. I admired the savvy parents who, when bringing an army of children with them would order the “mega” (2.5 pint) drink and bring their own smaller cups and distribute that way. Quite clever… more clever would have been to pop into Asda across the road and get them all cartons but some people just aren’t as savvy as they think!

  31. Where, in your opinion does the best Hot Chocolate – my personal favourite. I don’t tend to frequent the bigger coffee chains -preferring small independent coffee shops but it would be interesting to know what you think.

  32. Where, in your opinion does the best Hot Chocolate – my personal favourite. I don’t tend to frequent the bigger coffee chains -preferring small independent coffee shops but it would be interesting to know what you think.

  33. Andrew, I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure these coffee shops make far more money on the coffee than they do on the cakes and pastries.I know someone who used to run a small basic cafe and their coffee was comparatively cheap because they felt they couldn’t rip their customers off too blatantly and make too much of a profit on it!

  34. Andrew, I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure these coffee shops make far more money on the coffee than they do on the cakes and pastries.I know someone who used to run a small basic cafe and their coffee was comparatively cheap because they felt they couldn’t rip their customers off too blatantly and make too much of a profit on it!

  35. Andrew – never been to EAT, but will give it a try, if I can somehow steer my colleagues away from Starbucks…I don’t think I’ve ever eaten a cake or pastry in a chain coffee shop – don’t think I could afford the repayments on the loan!Px

  36. Andrew – never been to EAT, but will give it a try, if I can somehow steer my colleagues away from Starbucks…I don’t think I’ve ever eaten a cake or pastry in a chain coffee shop – don’t think I could afford the repayments on the loan!Px

  37. Driving home late one night I stopped at a motorway service station and in need of caffeine found myself sitting at a table with a massimo cappu and a biscotti.Half an hour later, further down the m/way and about 30 miles from the next services, the combined influences of the staggering volume of liquid and the diruretic effect of the coffee kicked in simultaneously.Sadly I was by this time in a traffic jam and for the next 45 minutes endured the physical agonies that go with a bladder tighter than a drumskin and awash with noxious content, and the mental agony of whether to take “emergency measures” within the car and have to explain myself to the rental company or, as happened to Alex Ferguson a few years ago, drive along the hard shoulder only to be stopped, caught and endure the humiliation of explaining myself to Judge John Deed.

  38. Driving home late one night I stopped at a motorway service station and in need of caffeine found myself sitting at a table with a massimo cappu and a biscotti.Half an hour later, further down the m/way and about 30 miles from the next services, the combined influences of the staggering volume of liquid and the diruretic effect of the coffee kicked in simultaneously.Sadly I was by this time in a traffic jam and for the next 45 minutes endured the physical agonies that go with a bladder tighter than a drumskin and awash with noxious content, and the mental agony of whether to take “emergency measures” within the car and have to explain myself to the rental company or, as happened to Alex Ferguson a few years ago, drive along the hard shoulder only to be stopped, caught and endure the humiliation of explaining myself to Judge John Deed.

  39. clare hyeah i’ve got no problem with people drinking what they want when they want and i don’t think it’s food snobbery – just cultural differences. i for one can’t stand people walking along and eating – anywhere – but that’s just the way i was brought up.equally in italy it’s not that cool to be off our face on booze in town on a saturday night like it is here. but sadly things are changing over.mind you they can’t serve a pint properly in italy

  40. clare hyeah i’ve got no problem with people drinking what they want when they want and i don’t think it’s food snobbery – just cultural differences. i for one can’t stand people walking along and eating – anywhere – but that’s just the way i was brought up.equally in italy it’s not that cool to be off our face on booze in town on a saturday night like it is here. but sadly things are changing over.mind you they can’t serve a pint properly in italy

  41. Why cite the Italians as master coffee makers? Surely it’s a matter of personal taste. The Italians seem to be best at the sort of coffee where the water is forced through the grounds (Espresso/Americano etc). My personal preference is for filter coffee (strong filter coffee). This has, over the years, got a very bad press because most (all?) home coffee makers create appalling coffee and many coffee shops and restaurants leave a pot on the go for far far too long. The secret of good filter coffee is either to make it one mug at a time (all it needs is a filter holder and a filter) or to find a coffee shop with a good throughput and in my experience that means Starbucks. I had the first cup of the day at Starbucks last Sunday and it was an excellent cup which I was able to drink all of without a pile of bits at the bottom of my cup. I can fully understand why Starbucks is derided in the US as they used to have lots of good coffee shops there (they still do! – you can get a good cup of coffee at petrol stations there) which Starbucks are easing out – this has never been the case in this country and, unusually for multinational chains, the coffee shops are actually raising the standards here. PS- Coffee comes with caffeine in it – just like the alcohol in beer, it should not be removed before consumption.

  42. Why cite the Italians as master coffee makers? Surely it’s a matter of personal taste. The Italians seem to be best at the sort of coffee where the water is forced through the grounds (Espresso/Americano etc). My personal preference is for filter coffee (strong filter coffee). This has, over the years, got a very bad press because most (all?) home coffee makers create appalling coffee and many coffee shops and restaurants leave a pot on the go for far far too long. The secret of good filter coffee is either to make it one mug at a time (all it needs is a filter holder and a filter) or to find a coffee shop with a good throughput and in my experience that means Starbucks. I had the first cup of the day at Starbucks last Sunday and it was an excellent cup which I was able to drink all of without a pile of bits at the bottom of my cup. I can fully understand why Starbucks is derided in the US as they used to have lots of good coffee shops there (they still do! – you can get a good cup of coffee at petrol stations there) which Starbucks are easing out – this has never been the case in this country and, unusually for multinational chains, the coffee shops are actually raising the standards here. PS- Coffee comes with caffeine in it – just like the alcohol in beer, it should not be removed before consumption.

  43. You make sound and seemingly well-informed points, JW. As for the caffeine statement – imagine this, if you can: you like coffee, but you have cut caffeine out of your diet. What’s that? They make coffee without caffeine and it tastes a bit like coffee? I’ll have one of those please! (Bear in mind that organic decaff is better than non-organic, as chemicals aren’t used in the cleaning process – hence my appreciation of Caffe Nero.) It’s like milk versus soya milk, or any of the other milk substitutes – you can get used to them. Dairy milk now tastes to me like horrible phlegmy muck.Don’t tell me what I choose to drink isn’t “proper” coffeee, when it’s the only coffee I can drink. (Once you have weaned yourself off the heroin-like caffeine, and endured the headaches that come with withdrawl, it’s very difficult to go back. I was accidentally served with a caffeinated coffe earlier this year and it was akin to what I imagine taking drugs must be like. I couldn’t sit still. I was totally wired. I kept swearing in normal speech. It was quite exciting, in a way, but a warning nonetheless.) I would never criticise people for choosing to drink caffeine, so please don’t criticise me for choosing not to.

  44. You make sound and seemingly well-informed points, JW. As for the caffeine statement – imagine this, if you can: you like coffee, but you have cut caffeine out of your diet. What’s that? They make coffee without caffeine and it tastes a bit like coffee? I’ll have one of those please! (Bear in mind that organic decaff is better than non-organic, as chemicals aren’t used in the cleaning process – hence my appreciation of Caffe Nero.) It’s like milk versus soya milk, or any of the other milk substitutes – you can get used to them. Dairy milk now tastes to me like horrible phlegmy muck.Don’t tell me what I choose to drink isn’t “proper” coffeee, when it’s the only coffee I can drink. (Once you have weaned yourself off the heroin-like caffeine, and endured the headaches that come with withdrawl, it’s very difficult to go back. I was accidentally served with a caffeinated coffe earlier this year and it was akin to what I imagine taking drugs must be like. I couldn’t sit still. I was totally wired. I kept swearing in normal speech. It was quite exciting, in a way, but a warning nonetheless.) I would never criticise people for choosing to drink caffeine, so please don’t criticise me for choosing not to.

  45. Sorry! The last comment was just made tongue in cheek! Some would suggest that it shouldn’t have milk or sugar in it either! I can’t understand why any coffee shop that creates cups of coffee individualy should charge more for caffiene free coffee unless the raw materials cost more… which presumambly they do as there must be more processes involved in creating a bag of decaffeinated beans and if they don’t then us caffeine addicts are effectively subsidising the non-addicts …. but seriously….. beer should have alcohol in it shouldn’t it?!

  46. Sorry! The last comment was just made tongue in cheek! Some would suggest that it shouldn’t have milk or sugar in it either! I can’t understand why any coffee shop that creates cups of coffee individualy should charge more for caffiene free coffee unless the raw materials cost more… which presumambly they do as there must be more processes involved in creating a bag of decaffeinated beans and if they don’t then us caffeine addicts are effectively subsidising the non-addicts …. but seriously….. beer should have alcohol in it shouldn’t it?!

  47. I never touch Caffeine – especially after being served a caffeinated coffee one evening. Not being used to it I didn’t sleep a wink all night and had to go into work the next day feeling really rotten. That would be enough to put you off it for life – and it has me!!

  48. I never touch Caffeine – especially after being served a caffeinated coffee one evening. Not being used to it I didn’t sleep a wink all night and had to go into work the next day feeling really rotten. That would be enough to put you off it for life – and it has me!!

  49. Talking of hot drinks – I have just been sent a nice mug and a sachet of hot chocolate from a well known recruitment agency, hoping we will use their services. I think this is a lovely gesture – although we have no need for their services!! Have they been reading this post?

  50. Talking of hot drinks – I have just been sent a nice mug and a sachet of hot chocolate from a well known recruitment agency, hoping we will use their services. I think this is a lovely gesture – although we have no need for their services!! Have they been reading this post?

  51. ClivePounds said…’Especially if it means I get to be pals with Ken Hom! He’s a wok-toting hero.’Or even a wok-ing class hero. I’ll get me coat etc.

  52. ClivePounds said…’Especially if it means I get to be pals with Ken Hom! He’s a wok-toting hero.’Or even a wok-ing class hero. I’ll get me coat etc.

  53. Alcohol should have alcohol in it. In the 80s I went through a phase of drinking Caliber and driving to parties, but it’s no substitute for that feeling you get after your first drink. I’ve just been watching The Lost Weekend, with Ray Milland, and to see his expression change – his whole personality – when he has his first drink! Mind you, he is a tragic alcoholic.

  54. Alcohol should have alcohol in it. In the 80s I went through a phase of drinking Caliber and driving to parties, but it’s no substitute for that feeling you get after your first drink. I’ve just been watching The Lost Weekend, with Ray Milland, and to see his expression change – his whole personality – when he has his first drink! Mind you, he is a tragic alcoholic.

  55. JWApologies – had had a long day and was on the defensive! Absolutely beer should have alcohol in it! I’m a bit two-faced, really, in saying that, but I absolutely agree.Px

  56. JWApologies – had had a long day and was on the defensive! Absolutely beer should have alcohol in it! I’m a bit two-faced, really, in saying that, but I absolutely agree.Px

  57. A Greek friend of mine keeps raving about Greek coffee, anyone know what it is and if there’s a decaff version? I am so used to decaff coffee now that I don’t like ‘normal’ stuff.

  58. A Greek friend of mine keeps raving about Greek coffee, anyone know what it is and if there’s a decaff version? I am so used to decaff coffee now that I don’t like ‘normal’ stuff.

  59. Clair: Great gag! I missed an opportunity there.I hadn’t heard of The Lost Weekend. It looks great. Consider it ordered from Lovefilm…Ray Milland looks a LOT like Jimmy Stewart, does he not?

  60. Clair: Great gag! I missed an opportunity there.I hadn’t heard of The Lost Weekend. It looks great. Consider it ordered from Lovefilm…Ray Milland looks a LOT like Jimmy Stewart, does he not?

  61. I often hear criticism of Starbucks, but I really want to know what they’ve done that makes them evil.As far as I know, they pay their producers well, their staff well, and you have a choice to drink a cup of coffee there.I happen to prefer other places, but I don’t understand why people don’t like Starbucks.

  62. I often hear criticism of Starbucks, but I really want to know what they’ve done that makes them evil.As far as I know, they pay their producers well, their staff well, and you have a choice to drink a cup of coffee there.I happen to prefer other places, but I don’t understand why people don’t like Starbucks.

  63. Tim, the way I see it is that Starbucks is the biggest coffee chain in the world, and it’s always worth avoiding adding to the profits of the biggest companies, who only got that way by squeezing out the smaller companies – see also: Coca Cola, Wal-Mart (ie. Asda), Gap etc. – Starbucks have 6,750 outlets worldwide. It is seen as symbolic of the problems posed by globalisation. Companies as big as that always throw up environmental problems, and get accused, rightly in my view, of cultural imperialism. Hey, they’re an American company, what a surprise! That’s another issue to think about. Big companies wield an awful lot of power, and it’s well known that Starbucks expanded aggressively, forcing smaller coffee shops out of business by sheer weight of marketing expertise. You might say that this is the free market. I have problems with the free market. They were quick to get behind fair trade and have become the largest buyer of fair trade coffee in North America. However, a company that big and powerful could do more, and they should. It’s just a gut reaction against a massive, powerful corporation, as far as I’m concerned. EAT are a small company, operating mostly in London, so they are preferable. It’s personal choice. The bigger the company, the more wary I instinctively become. That’s all.

  64. Tim, the way I see it is that Starbucks is the biggest coffee chain in the world, and it’s always worth avoiding adding to the profits of the biggest companies, who only got that way by squeezing out the smaller companies – see also: Coca Cola, Wal-Mart (ie. Asda), Gap etc. – Starbucks have 6,750 outlets worldwide. It is seen as symbolic of the problems posed by globalisation. Companies as big as that always throw up environmental problems, and get accused, rightly in my view, of cultural imperialism. Hey, they’re an American company, what a surprise! That’s another issue to think about. Big companies wield an awful lot of power, and it’s well known that Starbucks expanded aggressively, forcing smaller coffee shops out of business by sheer weight of marketing expertise. You might say that this is the free market. I have problems with the free market. They were quick to get behind fair trade and have become the largest buyer of fair trade coffee in North America. However, a company that big and powerful could do more, and they should. It’s just a gut reaction against a massive, powerful corporation, as far as I’m concerned. EAT are a small company, operating mostly in London, so they are preferable. It’s personal choice. The bigger the company, the more wary I instinctively become. That’s all.

  65. Just a thought/comment on Fair Trade. The big companies/organisations only got behond Fair Trade when it became “cool”. Our family had been buying Fair Trade products for a while before that. Certainly now it is easier to find Fair Trade as supermarkets now stock them, but my feeling is that these large organisations are only supporting Fair Trade as long as it is seen to be the cool thing to do – not because is is the right thing to do. Fair comment?

  66. Just a thought/comment on Fair Trade. The big companies/organisations only got behond Fair Trade when it became “cool”. Our family had been buying Fair Trade products for a while before that. Certainly now it is easier to find Fair Trade as supermarkets now stock them, but my feeling is that these large organisations are only supporting Fair Trade as long as it is seen to be the cool thing to do – not because is is the right thing to do. Fair comment?

  67. I gave up on Costa several years ago after an incident in the Chelmsford branch when me & my wife went in for a coffee and a bit of cake. The cakes were largely labelled in Italian so my wife, who speaks the language, ordered what she wanted using the Italian name on the label only to be greeted by blank looks from the staff which resulted in her resorting to pointing. If you’re going to give your products the Italian names, at least train your staff to recognise them when they’re ordered using those names.And that branch suffered terribly from the situation where one person goes to order and the others roam around until they can bag a table despite the fact that it’s clearly going to be ages before their queuing friend arrives with the coffee leaving others who got in the shop several minutes earlier, but who had the decency to queue before blocking out an entire table.And as for futurologists employed by leisure / hospitality businesses, I clearly remember an advert which appeared in the mid 80s in the Burnham sailing week programme placed by George Walker. It confidently predicted that in the future we’d have a three day weekend due to increased leisure time. That’ll be along shortly after the jet packs I expect.

  68. I gave up on Costa several years ago after an incident in the Chelmsford branch when me & my wife went in for a coffee and a bit of cake. The cakes were largely labelled in Italian so my wife, who speaks the language, ordered what she wanted using the Italian name on the label only to be greeted by blank looks from the staff which resulted in her resorting to pointing. If you’re going to give your products the Italian names, at least train your staff to recognise them when they’re ordered using those names.And that branch suffered terribly from the situation where one person goes to order and the others roam around until they can bag a table despite the fact that it’s clearly going to be ages before their queuing friend arrives with the coffee leaving others who got in the shop several minutes earlier, but who had the decency to queue before blocking out an entire table.And as for futurologists employed by leisure / hospitality businesses, I clearly remember an advert which appeared in the mid 80s in the Burnham sailing week programme placed by George Walker. It confidently predicted that in the future we’d have a three day weekend due to increased leisure time. That’ll be along shortly after the jet packs I expect.

  69. Andrew,Thanks for the reply.Maybe it’s symbolic of globalisation, but in which case it’s showing globalisation in quite a good light for all the reasons I said. As for “cultural imperialism”, they sell a brand, a “way” that people happen to like better than someone else. Shouldn’t we accept that as individual choice?I feel that they also deserve some credit. Before Starbucks came along, getting a good espresso meant going to London or France. Starbucks not only brought premium coffee over, but made coffee cool. We didn’t have Costas, Cafe Nero, Eat and all that prior to Starbucks. And I’m not sure there are less independents from what I’ve observed.

  70. Andrew,Thanks for the reply.Maybe it’s symbolic of globalisation, but in which case it’s showing globalisation in quite a good light for all the reasons I said. As for “cultural imperialism”, they sell a brand, a “way” that people happen to like better than someone else. Shouldn’t we accept that as individual choice?I feel that they also deserve some credit. Before Starbucks came along, getting a good espresso meant going to London or France. Starbucks not only brought premium coffee over, but made coffee cool. We didn’t have Costas, Cafe Nero, Eat and all that prior to Starbucks. And I’m not sure there are less independents from what I’ve observed.

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